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Ya know something interesting about the Marvel/DC ‘rivalry’ on tumblr?
Everyone acts like DC is this super regressive company compared to Marvel when DC really did more progressive stuff first and is still doing so.
Women as heroes?
DC’s had Wonder Woman as one of their three major heroes forever, but everyone ignores that because “But she doesn’t have a movie yet” (more on that later)
While Marvel can claim the first black hero in comics with Black Panther, DC actually had heroes talking explicitly about race with John Stewart and Hal Jordan, and did a lot of issues with progressiveism and liberalism vs convsativism in the Green Arrow/Green Lantern series (including a black person calling out Hal on how little he did to fight oppression on earth as he did the rest of the universe), and Green Arrow and Hawkeye arguing politics was a common thread of their time on the JLA together.
Black Lightning was the first African-American superhero with no criminal record (Luke Cage did get his powers in prison, it’s kinda stereotypical)
DC itself actually funded and published Milestone comics, a comics company entirely devoted to more diverse comics. If you’ve ever heard of Static you owe DC comics.
Marvel has never had anything even remotely equivalent.
When it comes to LGBT stuff, DC comics had a lesbian Batwoman and a lesbian woman taking over from a male hero in The Question.
While not a hero explicitly DC has a transwoman supporting character in Batgirl. (And I’m not even counting the trans characters in Vertigo books.)
It has Alan Scott being gay inthe Nu52 continuity,
I know Grace Choi was bisexual pre-reboot (I don’t know the current status)
Had a gay black teen hero in the Superboy & the Ravers comic in the 90s, as well as the character of Obsidian who was a major supporting character in the JSA.
The idea of characters of color or a different gender taking the place of legacy characters is nothing new for DC.
Like I mentioned, a lesbian Latin@ became the Question, there was an asian woman hero Doctor Light, a black woman Doctor Midnight, a Latina became the new Wildcat.
Now I mentioned I’d get back to movies later on and, let’s look at DC & Marvels movies in terms of ethnicity here, most notably the recent casting rumors.
Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson basically said he’d be playing Shazam.
Shazam, a previously white hero, played by a Black & Samoan man.
Aquaman, if rumors are to be believed, will be played by Jason Momoa.
Aquaman, a white blonde haired, blue eyed hero, played by a Samoan man.
Meanwhile over at Marvel….Well Falcon and Rhodey get to exist, but they’re up to this point still just little more than sidekicks to the white heroes in the movies.
Marvel makes a movie about a superhero team and goes “Yeah, everyone is still white as they were in the 1960s.”
DC looks at their superhero team and says “We need to make the team more diverse, even if it means changing the race of the heroes” and people act like they’re some super regressive company.
I’m fine with folks preferring one company over the other.
I’m fine with folks being excited Marvel is having legacy characters change race and/or gender with who gets to pick up the legacy.
But as a lifelong comic fan it’s kinda annoying to see people praising Marvel as super progressive for doing shit DC did in the 80s and still does to this day.
Especially when with Marvel it’s coming across far more as a blatant publicity grabs.
I wonder what would happen if somebody invented a video game wherein your vision is first-person camera and you never see a reflection or yourself or hear your own voice but you basically just have to do standard action game stuff and then at the end of the game it goes into third-person camera and BAM TURNS OUT YOU WERE A LADY ALL ALONG I would just be interested to know how that would be received by the gaming community
Marvel is willing to chance that a tentpole property like Thor will retain iconic status, even if a woman wields the hammer for a bit. Meanwhile, DC is still banning gay marriages.
Of course, the few comments so far are mostly by offensive Neanderthals. Thought certain followers might be interested in this article.
DC does need more diversity and the fact they won’t let Kate and Maggie marry IS fucked up
Saying that DC has a bigger problem with a lack of diversity and the white straight cis ‘status quo’ than Marvel is questionable to me
DC currently has a book that STARS an out lesbian woman in a loving and committed relationship with another lesbian woman, with gay and lesbian characters in the supporting cast
It has a queer trans woman and her lesbian girlfriend in Batgirl and the creators have promised further LGBTQI representation to come
It has a queer POC woman in Aquaman and the Others, a gay man starring in Earth 2, two gay male characters and two canon lesbian characters in Batman Eternal right now, a gay couple in the supporting cast of The Flash
Marvel has NO lesbian couples in ANY of their comics
Marvel has ONE lesbian woman in All new Ultimates who has so far never been portrayed actually having a relationship with another girl
It has a gay man who never dates in Avengers Undercover and another gay man who never does or says anything to actually indicate that he’s gay beyond ONE line of dialogue several issues ago in Uncanny X-men
It has NO trans women
It has no POC queer women
It has NO gay male couples appearing in any of its books at present.
And yeah, a woman is now Thor…a white, cis woman who will, most likely, be straight given Marvel’s track record to date…this isn’t to say that the new Thor won’t be fun to read but it’s really not progressive to have a blonde white straight cis woman starring in a comic
DC DOES need to do better when it comes to diversity
But for all their mistakes, they are doing a hell of a lot better than Marvel has EVER done. Marvel’s history is a history of ignoring queer people, ESPECIALLY queer women actually exist and of bigoted and lesbophobic treatment of queer female characters in addition to multiple instances of transphobic ‘humour’
DC had books with lesbian and trans women back when Marvel’s ‘LGBTQI representation’ consisted of Northstar…and that’s it
Being excited about the new Captain America and Thor is fine and I am totally looking forward to seeing what happens with them as well but let’s not make the mistake that just because Marvel has added a bit more POC and female representation to their A-list heroes that Marvel is some amazing, progressive example that DC should aspire toward because Marvel are still one of the most backward and stuck in the past comics publishers in existence right now :(
Marvel has a LOT of problematic and troubling problems in its stories and among its writing staff and should not be viewed as some beacon of acceptance and progressiveness
Before people decide to kiss Marvel’s ass too much.